I attended a shiur last Sunday night by Rabbis Schachter and Willig entitled, "What is Orthodox / What is not?" It was sponsored by TorahWeb, so I imagine it will be on the site at some point. I don't know why I went, and it was certainly a waste of time. Maybe I was hoping to have a clear definition of Orthodox that I either would or would not fit into. I didn't really get that. Nor was it ever made clear what the point of the talk was, and they didn't take questions. Here are some notes from the talks.
R' Schachter started off by stating that in Jewish history, there have always been people who rejected torah shebaal peh, and gave the Saducees as an example. Right off the bat, this is incorrect - there were many different interpretations of the Torah during the second temple, and the Pharisees ended up winning (see Schiffman). He then went on to basically define Orthodox as listening to the gedolei hador. He assured us that different communities (Mizrachi vs. the Aguda, since someone forgot to tell him that it's not the 1950s) can have different rabbis, but each should follow their recognized gedolim. If they took questions, I really wanted to ask him if he considers himself a gador hador. (Extra credit if he also considers himself an anav.) How do you tell if someone is a gador hador? It seems to be based on their grades in the Rav's shiur, and conveniently, Reb Herschel was the grader.
R' Willig started by saying that the community has accepted the Rambam's principles as binding, and therefore they are binding, even if they weren't so beforehand. So, an amora who believed moshiach already came is fine, but post-Rambam, if I believe that, I'm a kofer. He said he was going to talk about two ikkarim, 8 and 9, but really didn't talk at all about 8. 9 apparently comes to exclude feminism. Then he talked about 12 and the Lubavitch problem. This was the only hint at the point of the evening. He said if more than 10% of Lubavitch pray to the rebbe, then we have a problem with kashrut, gittin, etc. So, maybe the point is to find out if someone is Orthodox so we know if we can trust their kashrut, etc. I guess if 10% of Teaneck doesn't believe in the ikkarim, we have a problem. I bet that's the case, but I don't think he was advocating an inquisition.
The interesting part would have been questions, and seeing the audience's reaction. The crowd looked pretty MO. But, again, no questions. Kind of pointless.
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